Air Assault - Papercut production version

[Zeno~SPARTA~]

I will sort something out.

[EL_n00biachi]

You can always load the island in the editor and give yourself a lilbird.

[Yankee~SPARTA~]

I think noob is on to something here...

[Zeno~SPARTA~]

True, but I have been told that the flight characteristics on server are slightly different so in the end there has to be a training mission.

[Durka-Durka~SPARTA~]

Thats not best way for practice landing in urban environment. At some point chopper either will not loose enough speed to land and you overshoot or stall dropping some alt. If you are unlucky stall will be deadly.

I think with little bird slowing down is not a issue, you just have to remember its not UFO and will not freeze in a second

 

 

Im sure we all saw starwars and death star attack. This should be same kind of flying otherwise we are too exposed for enemy fire. Even that not give you guarantee you will survive

 

 

Which is why I said....

Only problem is that you can't really do it in a straight street, unless you are flying just above the rooftops.

 

 

I'd rather look at the positive side and think of ways this can be accomplished, and think Zeno's first desert practice is the best, or even doing it on an air strip, then moving to the field, then to the streets. Individuals can practice in the editor easy enough, but we can't practice together, unless you mean just loading the island up, placing a few helos, then putting it on the server. That's just as easy.

[Yankee~SPARTA~]

I was hoping you would say that Zeno. I have some time tonight so Ill be around if anyone wants to do some flying.

[T_1]

...the infantry can focus on their task with worrying about the pilot embedding them in a tree. ...

 

Why did I immediately think of Luggage

 

No offence mate

[EL_n00biachi]

True, but I have been told that the flight characteristics on server are slightly different so in the end there has to be a training mission.

 

Oh i agree though,i was just stating the obvious .......just as an idea if you make a training mission try to put in some opfor AI but without AA infantry...so you can actually train and see\feel what will happen....it doesn't matter if you die when you have landed or how often....but it gives you more immersion and a better feel of what might happen.

Even without AA lilbirds are pretty soft when engaged by small arms,i think the best training will be done with some minimum small arms opposition.....just an idea.

[Zeno~SPARTA~]

We can just practice on the Ace Fallujah dom map using an unoccupied part of the desert, later I will adapt this and reduce the enemy units.

[Hajimoto]

Not sure if the 20 people needed has been achieved but if not, I would like to participate in any role to best serve the exercise.

[Batwing~SPARTA~]

Thats not best way for practice landing in urban environment. At some point chopper either will not loose enough speed to land and you overshoot or stall dropping some alt. If you are unlucky stall will be deadly.

I think with little bird slowing down is not a issue, you just have to remember its not UFO and will not freeze in a second

 

 

Im sure we all saw starwars and death star attack. This should be same kind of flying otherwise we are too exposed for enemy fire. Even that not give you guarantee you will survive

 

 

I am with Peter here.

 

From my flying experience i can say, especially now the LB is way faster, it is a pro and cons at the same time.

 

In a urban flight if you wanna be almost at road level you will have steep 90 degrees curves. High speed is absolutely not suggested. 80 Km/h should be a sort of limit to curve in safe.

If you fly just above the roofs then faster is better offering less target profile, however the AI will have no problems to shoot us dow in a snap.

 

LB are very light and too much manouverable, meaning their lateral shifting at slow speed is very sensitive. Approaching at very high speed and suddenly slow down in a safely manner is a really tough action to achieve with the limited flight model sim. here to slow down you have either pull up or on right / left (not like a normal flight sim).

This means 2 things:

 

1 - you cannot pull up exposing yourself on altitude and being 100% shot down

2 - you cannot pull right or left at high speed in between buildings and also if you could, as soon as the LB get close to stalling speed it will badly derive left or right possibly crashing by the side into a building.

 

As result, as opposit to think, it would be better using the standard (non ACE) LB version which is slower and can be better controlled during such G-limit manouvers.

Edited April 28, 2011 by Batwing~SPARTA~

[Jeff~SPARTA~]

i'm handy to fly. probably should spend some time landing LB's now.

 

if better pilots are found, i'll snatch my 240L and hang around on a bench till i get told to die suicidally getting off the bird!

 

btw, the ACE LB's should do ok. they really don't climb that much before they slow down.

 

Jeff

[Zeno~SPARTA~]

We just tried the ACE LB and it can work.it just needs practice.

[Durka-Durka~SPARTA~]

It will just take some practice. Here is probably not the best place to go through theory and such.

 

If any help is needed with the infantry, lemme know. Also, what all do we need in relation to mods to practice?

[Jeff~SPARTA~]

absolute minimum is ACE itself and the fallujah map. with that in mind, having the full list of ACE server mods isn't a bad idea, in case we end up practicing on the main ACE server.

 

Jeff

[Zeno~SPARTA~]

ACE and Fallujah will be fine for now, we can use the desert part to practice and the city for more advanced practice. We practiced in the city yesterday under fire from both the side mission and the main AO. The only damage was from hard landings and from a collision. We did have a blackhawk drawing fire (little birds dont have flares).

 

Durka, the guys pointed out a weakness of arma to me, people only leave the vehicles one at a time (which you can hear as a car door sound). The more people you have the greater the time taken to disembark.

 

Durka is right we dont need to worry about the impossibilities, we will strive for the impossible and with luck we will achieve the improbable.

[Watchman~SPARTA~]

When are you starting the infantry practices. Hope I don't miss out but will not be around at all this weekend.

[Durka-Durka~SPARTA~]

Durka, the guys pointed out a weakness of arma to me, people only leave the vehicles one at a time (which you can hear as a car door sound). The more people you have the greater the time taken to disembark.

 

Is that a strictly ACE feature, or something inherent in Arma? In a littlebird, with 5 aboard, it shouldn't take too long to get out. It's just getting the timing right and hoping the pilot doesn't take off before the last man has to jump from 50ft

[Skaz~SPARTA~]

i'll get my xbox 360 controller out and start practicing.

[Gunthar~SPARTA~]

If your looking at doing a true air assault landing into a hot LZ there should be no helo touching the ground. All you have to do is have the helo get within a foot of the ground and either hover or slow to a crawl while everyone bails out then full power and he is gone. Should be able to unload a full troop load in about 2 sec and if your not out your going back to base. I have found that if your not comfortable in pulling that type of manuver just slow down hit the auto hover when your close to the ground and turn it off once you have stopped by that time everyone should be out and gone then your off to get an AA round in the butt.

[Cent~SPARTA~]

I can fly if Req, Ill be on tonight (29th) to practice. 21:00 GMT ish

[Yankee~SPARTA~]

I will *hopefully be around later tonight to do some more hot landings into the city. Anyone is free to join and see what some of us were doing last night. Just beware, many crash and burns will be in your future.

[Cent~SPARTA~]

ok ace sorted for me now

will be on sun night for a practice

[Luggage~SPARTA~]

Why did I immediately think of Luggage

 

No offence mate

 

 

Some of my best landings have involved trees

[T_1]

It was always an interesting flight with BPR Air